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	<title>Comments on: Our Literary Genealogy</title>
	<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/</link>
	<description>Critical Conversations to Redeem and Perfect Mormon Arts</description>
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		<title>By: James Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>James Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts: 

1) Maybe the best way to read Mormon Literary classics now is to be forced to do so, i.e. take that lit class! Does Gideon let people sneak in an sit in the back? Otherwise, you could hide on the roof like Hillel did to start his education. 

2) I think an interest in LDS classics will come when new LDS things are consistently capturing the LDS popular imagination. People don't find added up b/c it just doesn't seem like a century-old "Saturday's Warrior" is going to be good. When people have a more engaged present to project onto the past :) I think things will get better. 
As far as this is concerned, I think a narrower definition of Mormon Letters applies. Anne Perry is awesome and wonderful, but reading her mysteries is not going to inspire someone to search for Mormon literary roots in the way that a wave of really good Mormon-themed content could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts: </p>
<p>1) Maybe the best way to read Mormon Literary classics now is to be forced to do so, i.e. take that lit class! Does Gideon let people sneak in an sit in the back? Otherwise, you could hide on the roof like Hillel did to start his education. </p>
<p>2) I think an interest in LDS classics will come when new LDS things are consistently capturing the LDS popular imagination. People don&#8217;t find added up b/c it just doesn&#8217;t seem like a century-old &#8220;Saturday&#8217;s Warrior&#8221; is going to be good. When people have a more engaged present to project onto the past :) I think things will get better.<br />
As far as this is concerned, I think a narrower definition of Mormon Letters applies. Anne Perry is awesome and wonderful, but reading her mysteries is not going to inspire someone to search for Mormon literary roots in the way that a wave of really good Mormon-themed content could.</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Renaissance &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Expectation Games</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Renaissance &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Expectation Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-46</guid>
		<description>[...] light of the recent conversation on united Mormon fiction and literary genealogy, I thought I&#8217;d try and rein the conversation in a bit by focusing on a specific piece (albeit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] light of the recent conversation on united Mormon fiction and literary genealogy, I thought I&#8217;d try and rein the conversation in a bit by focusing on a specific piece (albeit [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Busby</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Busby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben:  The transience of current popular works is exactly my point.  I think one of the problems with Mormon lit is that it is too new; we haven't yet enough perspective to have seen what works.  Considering the literature didn't really pick up until the late 19th century, we haven't had much more than 100 years.  I think it's hard for us to say what works are critical with such a short sighted perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben:  The transience of current popular works is exactly my point.  I think one of the problems with Mormon lit is that it is too new; we haven&#8217;t yet enough perspective to have seen what works.  Considering the literature didn&#8217;t really pick up until the late 19th century, we haven&#8217;t had much more than 100 years.  I think it&#8217;s hard for us to say what works are critical with such a short sighted perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Carly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-34</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your helpful definitions.  I will admit, my LDS literary endeavors have been few and far between.  I simply hadn't given it much thought.  I do find it interesting, however,  that I really do have full confidence in the writing abilities and potentials of those around me and yet do not gravitate toward LDS works.  I will do better :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your helpful definitions.  I will admit, my LDS literary endeavors have been few and far between.  I simply hadn&#8217;t given it much thought.  I do find it interesting, however,  that I really do have full confidence in the writing abilities and potentials of those around me and yet do not gravitate toward LDS works.  I will do better :).</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Morris</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-31</guid>
		<description>Sally, you're right about the Tyrone Power "Brigham Young." I actually rather like that version. Sorry--I should have clarified that the film I was talking about, as Candy mentioned, was something quite different. "Brigham" is an independent film that follows pretty much the same story as "Brigham Young," only it begins a little further in the past and ends a little further in the future. One of the ways it deviates from Hollywood's depiction of Brigham Young and from the Church's depiction of Brigham Young is that it takes on some rather sticky issues head-on. It's the only film about Brigham Young I've seen so far that has given more than a passing mention of polygamy. In "Brigham," we get to see all of his wives and at least in three scenes see him interact with them. It's not done very well, I have to say, but it is done, which is significant. It's interesting to see what happens when an independent filmmaker who isn't answerable to any institution takes on the story of Brigham Young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally, you&#8217;re right about the Tyrone Power &#8220;Brigham Young.&#8221; I actually rather like that version. Sorry&#8211;I should have clarified that the film I was talking about, as Candy mentioned, was something quite different. &#8220;Brigham&#8221; is an independent film that follows pretty much the same story as &#8220;Brigham Young,&#8221; only it begins a little further in the past and ends a little further in the future. One of the ways it deviates from Hollywood&#8217;s depiction of Brigham Young and from the Church&#8217;s depiction of Brigham Young is that it takes on some rather sticky issues head-on. It&#8217;s the only film about Brigham Young I&#8217;ve seen so far that has given more than a passing mention of polygamy. In &#8220;Brigham,&#8221; we get to see all of his wives and at least in three scenes see him interact with them. It&#8217;s not done very well, I have to say, but it is done, which is significant. It&#8217;s interesting to see what happens when an independent filmmaker who isn&#8217;t answerable to any institution takes on the story of Brigham Young.</p>
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		<title>By: Candy Eash</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Candy Eash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally, the film Katherine wrote about and the one you are thinking about are different films. The one we watched last night was, indeed, dreadful; it was an independent film made in the early 80's.  The one you're thinking of was made decades before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally, the film Katherine wrote about and the one you are thinking about are different films. The one we watched last night was, indeed, dreadful; it was an independent film made in the early 80&#8217;s.  The one you&#8217;re thinking of was made decades before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Crowder</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-29</guid>
		<description>Katherine: It's the appallingly dreadful works that often infuse you with the motivation to do better, so yes, I think there's value there. :)  I don't know that we have to read &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; (or see everything, or listen to everything), though.  There's chaff that really isn't worth anyone's time.  My point isn't so much that we need to consume everything, just that we need to get a good sampling, without limiting ourselves to the tip of the iceberg.

Carly: Liz and Candy are right.  Mormon literature in general is as Candy defined it.  In this post, I'm primarily talking about those classics of older generations, which primarily seem to be Mormon authors writing on Mormon themes.  (It doesn't have to be that way, but we consider something like &lt;i&gt;The Work and the Glory&lt;/i&gt; to belong to us as a people, whereas &lt;i&gt;Ender's Game&lt;/i&gt; doesn't quite feel the same way.  It's equally valid as Mormon lit, yes, but I don't know if it's part of our heritage in the same way.)

Liz: There's been some discussion on the &lt;a href="http://www.motleyvision.org/?p=394" rel="nofollow"&gt;out-of-print works&lt;/a&gt; (and what we can do about it) on A Motley Vision.  If only they were out of copyright...  As for the canon, it's hard, particularly because so much of what's popular nowadays is also rather transient.  Not much of it sticks.

Sally: I think that -- glimpses into the minds of the early Saints -- is one of the compelling reasons we should read these classics.  It's a new perspective, a valuable one, and like you say it's a vital part of our history.  It matters.

Candy: A good definition. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine: It&#8217;s the appallingly dreadful works that often infuse you with the motivation to do better, so yes, I think there&#8217;s value there. :)  I don&#8217;t know that we have to read <i>everything</i> (or see everything, or listen to everything), though.  There&#8217;s chaff that really isn&#8217;t worth anyone&#8217;s time.  My point isn&#8217;t so much that we need to consume everything, just that we need to get a good sampling, without limiting ourselves to the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>Carly: Liz and Candy are right.  Mormon literature in general is as Candy defined it.  In this post, I&#8217;m primarily talking about those classics of older generations, which primarily seem to be Mormon authors writing on Mormon themes.  (It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way, but we consider something like <i>The Work and the Glory</i> to belong to us as a people, whereas <i>Ender&#8217;s Game</i> doesn&#8217;t quite feel the same way.  It&#8217;s equally valid as Mormon lit, yes, but I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s part of our heritage in the same way.)</p>
<p>Liz: There&#8217;s been some discussion on the <a href="http://www.motleyvision.org/?p=394" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.motleyvision.org');">out-of-print works</a> (and what we can do about it) on A Motley Vision.  If only they were out of copyright&#8230;  As for the canon, it&#8217;s hard, particularly because so much of what&#8217;s popular nowadays is also rather transient.  Not much of it sticks.</p>
<p>Sally: I think that &#8212; glimpses into the minds of the early Saints &#8212; is one of the compelling reasons we should read these classics.  It&#8217;s a new perspective, a valuable one, and like you say it&#8217;s a vital part of our history.  It matters.</p>
<p>Candy: A good definition. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Candy Eash</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Candy Eash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mormon Literature, in the simplest terms, (not just what Ben goes on to talk about) is literature written by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 

Broadening this definition, we can include written about members of the church, and still broadening even further we can add holding significant Mormon elements or themes. However, for the most part to be ML is simply to say it was literature written by a member of the church and doesn't necessarily have to have Mormon characters, themes, or elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mormon Literature, in the simplest terms, (not just what Ben goes on to talk about) is literature written by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. </p>
<p>Broadening this definition, we can include written about members of the church, and still broadening even further we can add holding significant Mormon elements or themes. However, for the most part to be ML is simply to say it was literature written by a member of the church and doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to have Mormon characters, themes, or elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Added Upon" by Nephi Anderson IS a classic. I have my grandmother's old copy, which she gave to my mother, which my mother gave to me. It's an astounding work and an excellent glimpse in to the mind of early saints and their understanding of the Premortal World, Mortal World, and Paradise. I was actually surprised how our views have changed and how much more Anderson at least allowed his imagination to explore the possibilities.

I also have to disagree with Katherine's comments about the movie called "Brigham" if it's the one I'm thinking of. Tyrone Power should have been in that one, and he was a real heart-throb of the day. He was actually one of the first men to play Zorro, which Antonio Bandares has made famous to our generation. Ahem. Anyway, there had been many movies made by Hollywood about Mormons, each of which the Church came out against in a most public way. "Brigham" was the first such movie which the Church did NOT decry and there was actually some good press run by Utah papers of the time (primarily LDS editors). It is a great black and white classic and was very well made for that film-era. :-) I highly recommend it. 

LDS classic literature can be very entertaining and I think it's a vital part of our history as a Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Added Upon&#8221; by Nephi Anderson IS a classic. I have my grandmother&#8217;s old copy, which she gave to my mother, which my mother gave to me. It&#8217;s an astounding work and an excellent glimpse in to the mind of early saints and their understanding of the Premortal World, Mortal World, and Paradise. I was actually surprised how our views have changed and how much more Anderson at least allowed his imagination to explore the possibilities.</p>
<p>I also have to disagree with Katherine&#8217;s comments about the movie called &#8220;Brigham&#8221; if it&#8217;s the one I&#8217;m thinking of. Tyrone Power should have been in that one, and he was a real heart-throb of the day. He was actually one of the first men to play Zorro, which Antonio Bandares has made famous to our generation. Ahem. Anyway, there had been many movies made by Hollywood about Mormons, each of which the Church came out against in a most public way. &#8220;Brigham&#8221; was the first such movie which the Church did NOT decry and there was actually some good press run by Utah papers of the time (primarily LDS editors). It is a great black and white classic and was very well made for that film-era. :-) I highly recommend it. </p>
<p>LDS classic literature can be very entertaining and I think it&#8217;s a vital part of our history as a Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Busby</title>
		<link>http://mormonrenaissance.org/2008/02/28/our-literary-genealogy/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Busby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Saturday's Warrior.  I neglected to mention that.  And if that's our literary cannon, I'm scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Saturday&#8217;s Warrior.  I neglected to mention that.  And if that&#8217;s our literary cannon, I&#8217;m scared.</p>
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